As both an editor and an author, you hold a dual role in the publishing world. What is it like to hold these two different positions, and which profession do you prefer participating in?
All I can say is this: if you want to commit yourself to a life of both writing and editing, you had better love—and we’re talking undying, soulmate, fires of a thousand suns love—reading. Because you will do a lot of it. You will read your own stuff over and over and you’ll read other people’s stuff over and over. Then when you’re done, you read it all again. Many people assume that because I’m an editor, I must be really good at editing my own work. And I laugh when I hear that. I always require an extra set of eyes on my own work because I’m just too close to it. I think this is true of every writer, regardless of their background. I think, if anything, holding both these positions makes me uniquely empathetic to what each goes through. When I draft an editorial letter for one of my authors, I try to temper the things that must be said with the way I’d want them to be said as a writer. Similarly, when I’m working on edits for my editors, I try to anticipate what they’d like to see and how they’d like to see it.
I don’t know that I can say I prefer one profession to the other. Some writers get asked, “What would you do if you weren’t a writer?” My answer, of course, is I’d be an editor. I’m in big trouble if both careers blow up because there’s not much else I’d rather be.
You edit for Flux books and have acquired several LGBTQ young adult titles in the process of gaining your editorial position at the publisher. What type of LGBTQ books are you seeing more of as an editor, and what type of LGBTQ books do you wish you saw more of?
There was a time when you basically had two kinds of LGBTQ books for teens: the coming out/coming to terms with sexuality story and the bully story (and often, they were combined). As LGBTQ themes started to emerge more in YA lit, it was perfectly natural that these would be the types of stories appearing. These are important stories and I think we’ll always need them. That said, I’m glad I’m seeing much more diversity in LGBTQ books. Teens are dealing with sexual identity and coming out younger and younger these days. So while we need the coming out stories and the bullying stories, we also need to hear about people who have become comfortable in their skins and are living their lives. I’m very pleased to see LGBTQ characters who are strong and smart and not completely defined by the sexuality.
You may have heard the quote from Anton Chekhov. It’s usually paraphrased like this: “If there’s a gun on the wall in Act 1, it must be fired by Act 3.” What Chekhov is saying is that details are important and if you include a detail as vivid as a gun, the expectation is that it will be important. Right now, a character’s sexuality is seen as a gun on the wall. For many people, when they learn a character is gay, they expect it to have some significance. They expect it to be an important part of the story. I really hope we reach a day when a character’s sexuality isn’t the gun on the wall.
As for the types of LGBTQ books that I’d like to see, I’ll talk a bit more about that in my answer to another question.
Publishing has always been a rocky area with LGBTQ fiction. In your opinion, what is the current and future likelihood of LGBTQ novels selling more to publishers? Has the likelihood increased or decreased in recent years, and do you think any of it has to do with the type of books people are currently pitching to them with LGBTQ content?
I think it’s safe to say that publishing could do with more diversity across the board. Whether it’s a portrayal of the LGBTQ community, or questions of ethnic diversity, or treatment of any minority, it’s important to keep the selection of literature rich with different viewpoints. We’re getting there but we’ve got a long way to go.
Would I like to see even more books with LGBTQ characters? Absolutely. Is there currently enough to satisfy the market for such books? Probably.
Remember about a year ago? There was a brouhaha where a couple writers alleged that an agent had told them to “de-gay” their book so it would sell. It was a brouhaha that was kind of hard to miss. Lots of finger pointing, name calling, etc. One of the things that came out of that was an analysis of how much material on the market featured an LGBTQ element. The number was fairly low, given the wide variety of books out there. Many people saw this as a conspiracy: publishing is trying to repress the LGBTQ crowd!
Here’s something that not a lot of people in publishing said during that time: there’s a dearth of quality stuff out there. (I’m probably going to editor hell for saying that, John. I hope you appreciate that.) Do some houses pass on LGBTQ material because, historically speaking, sales for those types of books are low? Possibly. Probably. Do some houses pass on LGBTQ material because of general homophobia? Possibly. Probably. I can’t say for sure but I do know that that’s only part of it. When I acquired the rights to bring I’LL GET THERE… IT BETTER BE WORTH THE TRIP back into print, it was like a big rainbow colored beacon for agents and authors: “QUICK! HE’S BUYING GAY BOOKS! GET HIM!” My inbox exploded with submissions that had some sort of LGBTQ component. And it sounds harsh to say it but just because someone has written something with an LGBTQ component doesn’t mean it’s publishable. I saw things that ranged from “so close but not quite there” to “there is absolutely nothing original that hasn’t been covered in a dozen other books.” I’m glad that there’s an interest in writing LGBTQ content but it still has to be written well.
All in all, I think we’re going to see more LGBTQ content in literature in the years to come. It’s already grown exponentially in the past 10 years. I don’t think we’ll reach the level of saturation that would make some people happy. But something else that came out of that brouhaha which I think is very true is this: if you want to prove to the publishing world that there is a demand of LGBTQ material, then buy it when it’s available. That is the only way to send a very clear and distinct message.

Your debut novel With or Without You does not contain a coming-out storyline in terms of sexuality. Your characters are out and proud and maintain that identity throughout the novel. You do, however, make Evan's relationship with Erik a secret - and not because of the sexuality. Why did you decide to make this the chief romantic conflict of the novel? What benefits does it have compared to the traditional coming out story? Do you think readers will respond better to LGBTQ young adult novels that focus more on the actual relationships post-coming out as opposed to novels that focus on coming out and don't contain much of a romantic arc?
These are interesting questions for a few reasons. When I sat down to write this, I knew I wanted to write about change. How we change, how we react to change, etc. I knew I wanted to write about two forces that I believe to be very transformative: art and AIDS. Both can change a life forever. So I began imagining a young artist who was far removed from the AIDS epidemic of the 80s but came to understand more about that time in history through his art. The idea of any kind of romance never entered my mind. The first few chapters of the first draft were written completely off the cuff (meaning I had no idea what I was going to write or where it was going to go). A lot of that early material got cut as I began to figure the book out. Some stuff remained: Evan painted on windows, he’d spent most of his life bullied and alone. One of those early scenes (a version of which is still in the book) involved Evan painting an attractive guy playing volleyball at the park. The idea for the scene was that it was supposed to show how awkward Evan was socially. At the end, the hot volleyball player said goodbye and we never heard from him again. I continued writing but didn’t like anything that came after that scene. When I get stuck, I sometimes write what I call a “never scene.” It’s a scene that will probably never end up in the final book but I give my protagonist a “what if” scenario to deal with so I can see how he’ll react. In this case, it went like this: “What if that’s not the last we see of the volleyball guy?” That’s when the idea for the secret relationship came in. So the romantic element came as a complete surprise to me. This turned out to be a “never scene” that ended up influencing the whole of the book.
The second reason that’s an interesting question is that, even when I’d finished the book, I never considered it to be romantic. Even though I clearly had a romantic relationship within the story, it was part of a whole and didn’t stand out in my brain. But an earlier draft of the book was my master’s thesis and when I sat down at my thesis defense, a member of my committee said, “This is a lovely romance.” I blinked a couple times and went, “Huh.” Not that I had a problem with that… I’d just never thought of it that way.
The final reason is that when Simon Pulse went to sell the book, buyers didn’t like the original title (CHASERS). They wanted a title that played up the romantic angle more. That’s how WITH OR WITHOUT YOU was born. I think that’s what it finally took for me to understand how important the romantic elements are. I’ve never DENIED them but, as strange as it sounds to say, I didn’t really see them in my own book. It took others to tell me that.
So far, I haven’t answered your question. Hang tight, we’re almost there.
The short answer is that I didn’t consciously set out to write a romance that was already in place at the start of the book. It was an accident. I’d love to be able to say I made the deliberate decision to do that because I wanted to avoid another love-at-first-sight kind of tale. But the reality is that once I came up with the idea for the secret relationship, it had to be about two guys who had been a couple for a year.
As for whether or not readers will respond better to a relationship that’s been going strong since before the start of the book… Honestly, that kind of thing never enters my mind when I write. Writers who try to second guess how readers will respond are buying themselves a one way ticket to insanity. I have to write what I feel is the best story and not care how people might respond.
Your second novel is a middle grade novel with a completely different idea. Will the novel also feature LGBTQ characters, or characters that may not realize they are LGBTQ? What was it like to go between writing for a young adult audience and a middle grade one? How do you keep up with it all and your editing career?
I don’t want to be all Cagey and Mysterious Author but I’m trying to avoid talking too much about the middle grade in advance. I’d rather people approach it with a slim idea of what’s going on. I’m afraid if I speak too much about how I see the characters before anyone else has a chance to read it, I could unintentionally influence their perceptions. Some people criticized J.K. Rowling for revealing Dumbledore’s sexuality AFTER all the books were out. But I think it was shrewd of her. I’d rather readers focus on the writing/story than form any preconceived notions. (And, please, can anyone honestly say they couldn’t figure out about Dumbledore? I mean, I’ll admit I always wondered why we’d never heard about a Mrs. Dumbledore but by the time DEATHLY HALLOWS rolled around and we learned more about Grindelwald, it was pretty obvious…)
I honestly never gave it much thought when I switched gears between young adult and middle grade. My brain is like that. I work on lots of different things: young adult, middle grade, plays, adult, science fiction, screenplays, etc. When I’m writing a first draft, it can be influenced by whatever my last project was. For example, if I was just working on a screenplay, my next novel might start out very dialogue heavy. If I was just working on a young adult novel, my middle grade novel might accidentally include language that they typically frown upon in middle grade. But that’s what first drafts are for: to make all the mistakes and fix them when you realize you got hung up on the last genre.
The question about how I keep up with the writing while juggling my editing career is the #1 question I get asked. Here’s the answer I give: I don’t know. It’s not just trying to write and trying to edit but it’s also trying to have a life. I have a husband I love very much and as any married writer will tell you, all writer spouses deserve knighthood for putting up with a lot of weird stuff. Every now and then, I have to step away from the writing and the editing and have a, you know, life. But I haven’t found that magical formula yet (which I why I’m also not selling a book every two months; I’m a very slow writer.) I promise to let you know when I figure it out. There are days I’m convinced I’m not doing it at all. What I really want to do is sneak up on David Levithan and siphon out whatever it is that keeps him going. There’s a very real chance he’s a Cylon. I’m convinced that’s the only way he can manage his duties at Scholastic and still put out lots of quality material. When his programming becomes corrupt and he takes over the world, remember you heard it here first: Levithan=Cylon.
What type of advice would you give to LGBTQ writers or people wanting to write LGBTQ fiction? What have your experiences in publishing taught you that could help people wanting to improve LGBTQ literature? How do you think LGBTQ literature can be improved on the whole?
Oh, John. You ask such wonderful questions that hurt my brain.
OK, first, advice to LGBTQ writers or people wanting to write LGBTQ fiction: avoid stereotype, avoid cliché, write something that rings with emotional resonance. “But, Brian, isn’t that just general writing advice?” Yes. But you’d be surprised how much stuff I see that has some sort of LGBTQ angle but is missing these very basic tenets.
As I said earlier, I see plenty of books with LGBTQ characters. But not all of them are ready for primetime. Most often, it’s clear that the inclusion of certain scenes (graphic sex or language) is gratuitous, meant to shock or be controversial, rather than tell a powerful story. That’s why I’m recommending very basic advice for anyone who wants to write in this vein. Perfect your craft. Understand the market so you’re not just doing something that’s been done before (if you’re doing a coming out book, it better be something no one has ever seen before). Throwing a few gay characters into your book means nothing if the story/language/syntax aren’t unique and powerful.
Yes, the number of LGBTQ characters in books are still vastly outnumbered by their heterosexual counterparts. But the number has still improved greatly in recent years. Strides are being made, I promise you that. However, where once it was risqué/risky/unique to have a gay character or—gasp!—protagonist, it’s no longer enough to make a book stand out. THAT’S the kind of progress we’ve made. My point (by gum, I do have one) is that it’s no longer enough to write about LGBTQ characters. There’s something that didn’t really exist ten years ago: competition. Make your book unlike anything the editor/agent has read.
You can learn more about Brian by visiting his website or reading my review of his novel, With or Without You.