LGBTQ Voice 2012: Interview with Hayden Thorne
You’ve written a large number of LGBTQ books for young
adults, as well as an LGBTQ book aimed at more adult readers. What makes you, a straight woman, inclined to
write for an LGBTQ audience? What does
your perspective allow you to do with the fiction that an LGBTQ author might
not?
It’s really a lot less to do with sexual orientation than with age. My
earliest experiences in writing focused on young people – teens or children –
and their process of maturation. I’ve always found it cathartic writing about
characters who undergo the same processes of discovery that I’ve already
undergone, but they do so in ways that are consistent with their lives and
personalities and are wholly foreign to me. It’s very much the idea of
possibilities and endless “what if?” scenarios and looking at the world through
the eyes of a kid whose life is so far removed from mine.
I suppose my contributions to LGBT YA fiction have a lot to do with being
an outsider looking in – a bit of a role reversal, really, given how the LGBT
community tends to be regarded as the outsiders by way too many people. While I
can’t fully empathize with the too-real fears of growing up gay (bullying,
rejection, threats of physical harm, etc.), I do enjoy exploring stories that
place LGBT kids front and center for no other reason than that THEY CAN AND
SHOULD BE heroes of fantasy adventures or historical dramas because I rarely
ever see them in those roles. It’s the classic theme of the resilient underdog
overcoming obstacles and emerging a stronger and wiser person in the end.
LGBT
writers of LGBT YA fiction do a fantastic job exploring real issues pertaining
to daily struggles and fears that their audience might be suffering and need
guidance in. As a straight woman who’s never gone through the process of coming
out, etc., I prefer to focus on genre fiction and the conspicuous absence of
young LGBT protagonists. I’ve been asked why by well-meaning friends and
family, and my answer is why even question it? No one questions the fact that
99% of YA fiction involves straight teens in main roles in every genre and
sub-genre that’s out there. Why not LGBT teens? I might not offer much by way
of wisdom in the process of coming out, but at the very least, I can offer an
escape that’s both fun and, I hope, a source of some insight or inspiration for
the reader.
All
of your works are genre fiction – the bulk of them historical, historical
fantasy, and contemporary fantasy. What
makes you attracted to writing fantasy and historical stories for teenagers,
and why do you enjoy putting LGBTQ protagonists into the genre mold? What about genre fiction helps LGBTQ
characters and teenagers that coming-out/literary fiction ignores?
I prefer to offer LGBT teens an escape, and I suppose I’d like to write
them in a way as to normalize them through genre fiction because the focus is
on individual growth regardless of their sexual orientation. My first love is
classic literature and historical fiction, and even before I got into gay
literature, I was attuned to “romantic friendships” between same-sex characters
such as James Steerforth and David Copperfield. Those relationships in the 19th
century were purely platonic and were widely accepted by society, but there
were relationships that developed into something more, however short-lived they
might’ve turned out, no thanks to social conventions and the law in that time
period. And that’s just scratching the surface. So at least as far as history
goes, it wasn’t as if gay people never existed, and I’d like to acknowledge
that and show that we don’t live in a bubble that’s limited to just the 21st
century.
Historical
fantasy is my current baby in the sense that I love writing my own original
fairy tales / alternate history for LGBT teens. Again, the point here is why
not? We’ve got a rich treasury of fairy tales from all over the world since the
dawn of time, really, with most of them focusing on romantic themes between
heterosexual partners. We live in a different age now, and I think that it’s
high time that LGBT teens are given fairy tales that they can call their own.
Whether or not these fairy tales come from straight writers or LGBT writers
isn’t the issue; rather, it’s all about getting these books out to teens who
need or want them and would like to see themselves in stories that are uniquely
theirs.
Recently, you’ve shifted over to writing more
contemporary fantasy. What do you think
attracts readers to contemporary fantasy stories these days? What about your historical works would be
appealing to today’s readers, considering they are more overlooked than your
contemporary fantasy books?
Even in the bigger, more mainstream picture, historical fiction enjoys
far less popularity than contemporary fiction. It’s simply the audience’s
taste, and I don’t have any control over it. The most obvious attraction for
contemporary fiction – whether realistic or steeped in magical realism – is familiarity.
Setting, language, behavior, popular culture – we live in it now, and by and
large, it’s great to see ourselves reflected in fiction in a way that we can
easily relate to. Historical fiction is – perhaps in
non-historical-fiction-readers’ eyes – too far removed from current reality for
us to fully appreciate.
Human nature is universal, though, and pretty consistent through time.
What changes are beliefs and laws, and I do believe that in order to fully
appreciate the strides we’ve made today as far as LGBT rights go, we shouldn’t
ignore history and the struggles that LGBT people went through, especially
since countless suffered in silence, while others were subjected to exile,
execution, or prison sentences, etc.
I can understand, though, the reluctance to embrace historical fiction,
especially where LGBT characters are concerned. It’s largely because, yes, the
past was cruel, and happily-ever-after was quite unusual. But what I tried to
do – at least in my historical novels – was to emphasize HOPE, no matter what
choice the young gay character ends up making down the line in the course of
his maturation. My goal in each novel is to show the main character’s growth
against obstacles that are unique to his time period and to show how much stronger
he is in the end – both as an individual as well as the beneficiary of a loving
friendship or relationship with an unlikely ally. True, this kind of story can
easily be explored in a contemporary setting, but a historical novel offers a
different challenge to the writer, and his success in tackling his subject can
translate into an enjoyable reading experience for the audience.
That
said, historical fiction shouldn’t be limited to just drama. Classic
literature’s rich in satire and humor, and I tried to take advantage of that
with DESMOND AND GARRICK, a historical paranormal series that’s also a satire
on modern paranormal romances. You can do anything with historical fiction,
even if the balancing act – you do have to make sure to stick to historical fact
as much as possible – can drive you crazy sometimes. On the whole, though,
historical fiction can be a good diversion from what’s modern and familiar.
What
do you consider to be the most rewarding part of writing LGBTQ fiction for
teens? What do you hope to accomplish as
a writer who writes this type of fiction?
Do you like your position as an indie author? Why or why not?
Just the idea that somewhere out there, someone for whom I’m writing
these books might be enjoying any given novel and that, perhaps, s/he is
gaining something from the experience, even if it’s just as simple as
forgetting the world for X number of hours. I know that I’m currently focusing
on contemporary fantasy, but my real love is historical fantasy, and I’d love
to have a large enough backlist of original folktales for LGBT teens – either
in novel or short story anthology forms. I’d love to be an active contributor
to a small niche and watch that market expand and grow before age takes over,
and I run out of ideas and am forced to bow out and make room for the next
generation of writers.
I’ve
been urged before to seek out an agent, but it’s not in the cards for me. My
fiction writing preferences are strictly niche, which really means working with
small presses who’re more open to taking chances on unpopular novels than
mainstream presses can ever be. On the whole, I love the freedom to write
whatever pleases me and not worry about being dropped from my contract because
of lack of sales. Seriously, if the opposite were the case, I’d have been
dropped from my contract after my first novel was released! Writing unpopular
fiction for a small niche is a very, VERY lonely place to be, and finding
people willing to help with marketing through word-of-mouth promo can be
exasperating at best. However, I really enjoy writing stories that I love to
read and that I hope are making some kind of difference in the market in very
small ways because they’re still pretty much “uncharted territory” on the
whole.
What are your favorite LGBTQ books that are
aimed at teens or would crossover well to teens? What about non-LGBTQ books that would still
appeal to LGBTQ teens? What, to you,
defines these books as favorites? What
books do you wish more LGBTQ teens would discover?
My favorite LGBT YA books are
Perry Moore’s HERO (for obvious reasons) and Julie Anne Peters’ LUNA, which
broke my heart twenty different ways. On one hand, you’ve got genre fiction
(superhero fantasy) that also works as a coming-out novel, and on the other
hand, you’ve got a heart-breaking account of a transgender teen’s difficult
process of coming to terms with her identity. The fact that Luna’s story is
told from her sympathetic sister’s POV makes the story all the more
gut-wrenching. Those two novels are prime examples of just how broadly we can
expand the LGBT YA market, and it’s good to see more and more writers taking
genre fiction and running away with it in their novels, placing LGBT teens
front and center.
As for non-LGBT books, I’m a huge
fan of classic short fiction. HUGE. Some of my desert island keepers are M.R.
James’ CASTING THE RUNES AND OTHER GHOST STORIES, Oscar Wilde’s COMPLETE SHORT
FICTION, and Chris Baldrick’s THE OXFORD BOOK OF GOTHIC TALES. While most of
them deal with the fantastical and supernatural, some of Wilde’s short stories
also tackle some pretty complex social issues even if they were written for
children (“The Happy Prince” comes to mind). Those books are my biggest
literary sources of inspiration. I love classic ghost fiction, and I don't particularly
care for contemporary horror films because of the shift in focus toward
violence and gore. Victorian ghost fiction is my favorite genre to read;
despite some of the clichés or hackneyed plots, 19th century writers
like M.R. James were masters of atmosphere and foreboding. It would be great if
young readers, regardless of sexual orientation, were to try them out and
discover some really well-crafted, spine-tingling stories that are more
psychological than visceral.
What
are the realities of being a writer of LGBTQ fiction? What are the rewards and the risks involved
in writing this type of fiction alone?
Do you think the market is becoming more or less receptive to it – especially
the genre portions of it? Do you think
more writers should write genre fiction with LGBTQ characters in mind?
Like I’ve noted in a previous answer, writing niche fiction is incredibly
lonely and brutal to one’s confidence. There’s always that shadow hanging over
you as you spend hour after hour slaving away at a novel that you know only a
handful of people will be reading or that could very well slip through the
cracks, regardless of your marketing efforts. It not only takes a lot of
patience to put your baby together and to release it in the big bad world, but
also a lot of faith in your own ability to tell a good enough story that people
would be willing to spend money on. And for that faith, you really have to dig
deep in order to sustain the madness of repeating the cycle with every new
book.
That said, the rewards are incredible. Knowing that you’re contributing
something unique to a market that’s necessary for an underrepresented audience
makes up half of the fuel that keeps you going (the other half is dark
chocolate). Every once in a while, you’ll be lucky enough to receive a message
from a complete stranger thanking you for writing something s/he has never read
before and that s/he has enjoyed. Royalty checks be damned; those messages,
however few and far between, are worth their weight in gold.
The LGBT YA market is definitely expanding, and I’m seeing more and more
writers tackle genre fiction with LGBT teens for their main characters, though
it appears that it’s mostly small presses and self-published authors who’re
more consistent in supplying the market with these titles. But it’s a great
start, and I hope to see it blossom even more. Writers approach their craft
differently. There are those who write genre fiction with LGBT characters in
mind, and there are those who allow their characters to determine their sexual
orientation once they begin writing. It really depends on how the author does
things. But if you’re talking about writing genre fiction in which LGBT
characters’ stories revolve around things outside their sexual orientation,
then yes – I’d love to see more of that happen. I still see pockets of
resistance – for lack of a better term – in certain groups I’m a member of or
used to be a part of, toward stories outside coming-out fiction. There seems to
be this odd fear that genre fiction will push realistic fiction aside and make
it unpopular or unnecessary.
It’s
not a zero-sum game. It never was, and it never will be. There’ll always be a
need for coming-out fiction, but there’s also enough room for stories that go
beyond that. Both work together as complements, and both are important and
necessary for LGBT kids everywhere.
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3 comments:
Coincidentally, I recently bought the Masks books based on strong recommendations from friends.
Awesome!
I agree that historical fiction is a great escape, that's why I love it so much! This has been an excellent series of posts, John!
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